- Calling all KiwiSaver providers: Please let us know if you have plans to offer annuities or similar
- Other payout possibilities for retired KiwiSavers
- Couple who have returned to NZ but still own UK house should sell it, buy here and get on with enjoying life
- Dwindling children’s KiwiSaver accounts possible but unlikely
QWould like to run this past you. KiwiSaver has been a great success and has spawned an industry that now handles probably billions of our hard earned cash.
So we retire, cash in our fund and walk away with maybe a couple of hundred thousand dollars. How do we then turn these dollars into regular income to supplement our NZ Super?
My suggestion is that the KiwiSaver companies (who have looked after our money) should then offer a safe regular income fund? There used to be annuities, but these seem to be unheard of today. Term deposits at the banks are about on par with inflation? Finance companies offer more but the risk is too great?
Mary, it couldn’t be THAT hard. The KiwiSaver funds have the organisations and the skills to offer a bit better than term deposits. How about it?
AHow about it, indeed, KiwiSaver providers? But I’m going to set the standards higher. While there are plenty of KiwiSaver schemes that offer bond funds, which should fulfill your needs, I want a revival of annuities or similar.
For those who don’t know what an annuity is, you give your provider a lump sum. In exchange, they give you regular income, often monthly, for the rest of your life.
It’s like insurance against outliving your savings. If you live for a long time, you get a really good deal. If you die soon, it’s a bad deal — but you’re not around to care about it.
Nobody can yet withdraw KiwiSaver money in retirement. But this time next year people who joined KiwiSaver at 60 or older will be able to start taking out money.
Some of the account balances will be too small to make much difference to anything, but others will be quite substantial. No doubt their owners would like a little time to think about what’s on offer, so let’s hear about it now.
When I wrote “The Complete KiwiSaver”, two years ago, the only provider selling annuities was Fidelity Life. And I think that’s still the case.
Quite a number of other providers said their KiwiSaver members could set up an arrangement under which a regular amount was transferred from their KiwiSaver account into their bank account. But that’s a bit different. Because nobody knows when they will die, most people will transfer too much or too little — ending up with either a shortfall in their eighties or nineties or money still in KiwiSaver after they die.
As you say, annuities used to be fairly common. When my mother bought one, maybe 20 years ago, about ten companies offered them. Since then, though, companies have gradually withdrawn from the market, partly for tax reasons.
The Capital Markets Development Taskforce and the Savings Working Group both urged the government to look into ways to change the tax situation and otherwise encourage annuities.
So far, the government has said it plans to issue inflation-linked bonds, which will mature in 2025, as part of its bond programme for the financial year 2011–12. This, the experts say, will be a useful place for providers to invest annuity money.
Here’s hoping the existence of those bonds — plus the impetus of retired KiwiSavers wanting annuities — prompts more companies to offer them. Having just one supplier is not good in any market.
If any providers would like a free plug for an annuity scheme or similar that they plan to offer in the next year or two, send me a brief description — up to 80 words — including a source of further information, and I’ll run it in this column.
QMy wife (65) and I (62) are both on NZ Super — myself as a non-qualified partner as I am under 65. We both are in KiwiSaver and have been since 2007.
We now contribute $1042 each per annum from our own funds. There is of course no employer contribution, just the member tax credits from the government, which are to halve.
My question is: When our schemes mature in the near future I presume we will receive a fortnightly payment based on our individual fund performance/balance.
Does this payment affect our NZ Super payments? Will they decrease, and if so by what amount? This thought never occurred to me when we took out our KiwiSaver schemes.
ANZ Super is not affected at all by KiwiSaver. But your presumption about the fortnightly payments is not correct. Once you get access to your money in retirement you can do whatever you like with it.
However, if you would like fortnightly payments, your provider might help you set that up, as mentioned above.
In “The Complete KiwiSaver”, the following providers said they offered that service or similar: AMP, ANZ, Aon, Asteron, Civic Assurance, Fidelity Life, First NZ Capital, Fisher Funds, Gareth Morgan, Medical Assurance, Milford Asset Management, National Bank, NZ Anglican Church, OnePath, SuperLife, Tower, and Westpac.
And the following said they would help members set up suitable investments in their retirement — which presumably would generate a steady income: Craigs Investment Partners, Forsyth Barr, and Staples Rodway,
Many providers also said they offer advice to KiwiSaver members about how to handle their money in retirement.
Things might have changed since that was written in 2009, so I suggest you firstly ask your own provider what it offers. If it’s not what you want, check some of the others and consider switching provider.
You might also want to keep watching this column, to see if my plea for annuities or similar bears fruit — although the amounts in your accounts may be too small to warrant setting up an annuity.
QWe returned from the UK three years ago and rented out our UK house, which is worth around $640,000.
We had expected to sell it a year later and buy in Auckland. However, the UK housing market is still depressed, and the pound is at an all time low against the Kiwi dollar, giving us a lot less buying power in New Zealand.
Our UK debt is cheap, however, with the interest rate on our $100,000 mortgage only 1.5 per cent.
We are renting a four-bedroom house at $640 per week, which is cold (despite our pleas to have insulation installed). The house, in the eastern suburbs, is however in zone for our two young children who are at the local primary school.
We have $190,000 in savings in New Zealand, and our household income is enough for us to buy small three-bedroom house.
Should we buy a small property in Auckland, bringing the proceeds from our eventual house sale into New Zealand when the exchange rate is more favourable, or continue renting? Alternatively, should we use our New Zealand savings to pay off our outstanding debt in the UK?
AI think you should take a deep breath, sell your UK house for whatever you can get for it, bring the money over here and buy a lovely house.
Any of your other options might turn out to be better financially. But they might not. For instance, it’s possible that the value of your UK house, in New Zealand dollars, might never again be as high as it is now.
Even if it does rise considerably, who’s to say New Zealand house prices won’t have risen more in the meantime?
To know for sure what your best move is, you would have to be able to forecast: exchange rates, savings interest rates, mortgage rates, rents and house prices — in some cases not just in one country but two. Not even the world’s top experts can be expected to get all of that anywhere near right.
I’ve been in a somewhat similar position to you more than once in my life. I’ve also watched friends go through the, “What if this? But then again, what if that?” debate. If you own property in one country and then move elsewhere, such questions often arise.
The debate can go on for years. Meanwhile, you’ve already spent three years not living as comfortably as you could.
The fact is that you two are in a pretty strong position financially. Whatever you do you may look back on and wish you had done differently, because you would have ended up better off. But you’re not going to end up in the gutter.
So you might as well follow your original plan — albeit a little late. Escape from the chilly rental and get on with enjoying life.
QI thought with joining kids under 18 in KiwiSaver, that the government $1000 kick-start would get partly eaten up with fees by the provider. Is this right?
AMaybe. But probably not in the majority of cases.
KiwiSaver fees are nearly always made up of a fixed amount, typically $35 to $60 a year, plus a percentage of the account balance.
When KiwiSaver started, the government gave everyone a $40 a year fee subsidy, which went a long way towards covering the fixed amount. And if a child had only the $1000 kick-start, or not much more, the percentage part of the fee didn’t amount to much at all.
Given that average long-term after-tax returns on KiwiSaver accounts are pretty much always positive, we could be confident that a child’s $1000 would grow — even with no further contributions.
However, in 2009 the fee subsidy was phased out. That has led to the possibility that fees on a $1000 account could exceed returns, so that the balance decreases.
When I asked providers — in research for my book — which of their funds they would recommend to avoid this happening, the answers fell into two distinct groups.
Some recommended putting the money into their lowest risk conservative fund, on which fees are lower because they are cheaper to run. Others said go for a high-risk fund. While the fees will be higher, average returns over the years should also be higher. Either way, most providers thought it was likely the accounts would grow, and I agree.
You might say, “of course they would say that”. But it’s not that simple. I suspect providers welcome children — despite their not very profitable low-balance accounts — largely because they hope to keep them as more profitable adult members. If the kids’ accounts dwindled over the years, there’s a fair chance they would switch to another provider as adults.
Still, if you’re skeptical, you can always wait until a child is 18 and then encourage them to sign on. At that stage, hopefully you or they will contribute to the account, to receive the tax credit. By the time that’s added to the mix, the dwindling balance problem should be gone.
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Mary Holm is a freelance journalist, a director of Financial Services Complaints Ltd (FSCL), a seminar presenter and a bestselling author on personal finance. From 2011 to 2019 she was a founding director of the Financial Markets Authority. Her opinions are personal, and do not reflect the position of any organisation in which she holds office. Mary’s advice is of a general nature, and she is not responsible for any loss that any reader may suffer from following it. Send questions to [email protected] or click here. Letters should not exceed 200 words. We won’t publish your name. Please provide a (preferably daytime) phone number. Unfortunately, Mary cannot answer all questions, correspond directly with readers, or give financial advice.